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Post  Father General on Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:44 am

PASS 1) With regards to the tactical map, the umpire will no longer set victory conditions or objectives for the sides. Both sides may remain engaged or disengage at will regardless of the general outcome of the skirmish. With regards to the strategic map, the ranking officer in the node will make the decision to move or remain.

FAIL 2) The umpire will distribute ancillary victor's spoils (promotions, special unit names, weapon upgrades) consistent with the score.

FAIL 3) As per the OOB, win/draw/loss application will be adjudicated by the umpire and WILL NOT be disclosed to the commanders.
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Post  Father General on Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:47 am

The failure of Amendments 2 and 3 means that the umpire will determine a victor based on personal discretion. (thanks you made my job extremely difficult... Evil or Very Mad )

Based on that determination, which may be extremely subjective, the umpire will distribute the ancillary victor's spoils.

Meanwhile, the passage of Amendment 1 means that the declaration of victory or defeat will not compel any commanders to move nodes post battle.

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Post  M.Jonah on Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:18 am

Sadly i just think thats rediculous if a side losses the battle they should be compelled to retreat from the field because if a player wants to be obstinate then they could just say we are nopt moving and the campaign will not go anywhere and stagnate its already like a snail trying to cross a road covered in molasis.
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Post  Mr. Digby on Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:10 am

Agree with Jonah. In a nodal map the winner holds the node, the loser must withdraw from it via any road the winner does not block.

This is pretty elementary to the system.

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Post  Uncle Billy on Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:19 pm

I agree, the loser must withdraw. I believe Stefan and I both agreed that in instances where both sides are on the field at the end of the battle, still fighting or just starring across the field mooning one another, we use the newspaper headline to decide the winner and loser. Only if the game judged the fight inconclusive, would both sides remain in place.

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Post  Father General on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:35 pm

Uncle Billy wrote:I agree, the loser must withdraw. I believe Stefan and I both agreed that in instances where both sides are on the field at the end of the battle, still fighting or just starring across the field mooning one another, we use the newspaper headline to decide the winner and loser. Only if the game judged the fight inconclusive, would both sides remain in place.

If you gentlemen do not like the option, then you do not have to exercise it.

As per the rules, I will still declare a victor. What the corps commanders do, is now up to them.

How I pick the winner in a battle -- especially if I don't participate and I can't view the replay (yep, my replay function is broken) I have no idea at this moment. But I still have a day to figure it out, so no need to worry...
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Post  Martin on Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:00 pm

Uncle Billy wrote:I agree, the loser must withdraw. I believe Stefan and I both agreed that in instances where both sides are on the field at the end of the battle, still fighting or just starring across the field mooning one another, we use the newspaper headline to decide the winner and loser. Only if the game judged the fight inconclusive, would both sides remain in place.
I think it's right that the final decision on this has to be down to the umpire & corps commanders, or we'll be going round in circles forever. Glad I'm not one of them Very Happy

But isn't there a problem with relying on the game victory screen? I've certainly played a number of battles where the 'result' appears to bear no relation to the condition of the two armies. I can remember an occasion where one side put most of the enemy to flight, and as a result outnumbered their remaining troops by 4:1. The game nevertheless judged that side to have lost, because it suffered a couple of hundred more killed & wounded. I can only assume that's because the victory calculation takes little or no account of routed units. On that basis Lee & Jackson would have lost most battles in 1862.

I only mention this because In SP you just shrug it off. Will folks be happy to do that in MP I wonder?

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Post  Leffe7 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:45 pm

I agree that the Umpire shall declare a victor after the battle. This decision is to be used for the OOB calculation of losses (I prefered this to be a non-disclosed decision, but now its common knowledge). But as per rule change 1 "Both sides may remain engaged or disengage at will regardless of the general outcome of the skirmish."

IIRC Lee's campaign in the Peninsula consited of a series of battles, a lot of them had to be seen as a CSA defeat. But he kept attacking regardless.
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